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liviapenn's comments are here.
latxcvi talks about characterzation.
Rain goes into some biology and talks about mpreg.
My thoughts? Sure, okay Lex is physically weaker than Clark, but then so is everyone else on the freaking planet. But Lex isn't emotionally weaker than Clark. We are talking about Lex Luthor, son of Lionel--you know the Maginifcent Bastard, a nickname that was earned. If Lex was emotionally weak and unable to handle himself he wouldn't be head of the plant in Smallville. Hell, he'd be addicted to drugs or shoved off in some fancy drug rehab never seen again or never seen unless Lionel wanted him seen. Instead Lex fight against his father and spars with him and tries to take his future from his father. Not really the actions of some emotional weakling.
Okay, Lex has been hurt, he only loved 2 women, he's mother and his mother's nurse, one died and the other left him. Yes, in ways Lex is emotionally vulnerable, he wants to be loved, he wants to be part of a real family. If you look at the end of Jitters, when Lionel is hugging Lex for the camera and the Kents are smothering Clark with real affection and Lex throws Clark a look---if you look at that scene through nonslashy glasses it's a look of longing about what Clark has and Lex doesn't--the love and affection of a family.
However this doesn't mean that Lex is going to breakdown in tears and poor out his heart to Clark, Martha, or anyone else for that matter. Lex isn't going to go run and throw himself on the bed and start sobbing. Lex--for god's sake--is NOT going to become impgregnanted in some wildly improbable manner and then teach his children to call him Mommy.
Hell, I'm a pretty emotional female and I don't go breaking down and telling my secrets to everyone out there or cry at the drop of the hat. I just don't. Not all women are like that.
I don't get the need to write a slash story and make one of the guys into a woman, either by the way they act or actually, physically turn them into a woman. I've read a Buffy fic where one of 2 guys gets turned into a woman. WHY? If a writer is uncomfortable writing about 2 guys--then don't freaking write about 2 guys. Write a het story. Write a good het story. A good story is better than a bad story, no matter what genre. And I don't want to hear "But slash is cooler than het---het is boring". I read a story because it's good. I like reading hot sexy stories that are hot and sexy that are m/m or f/m or f/f. I like reading stories that are high quality with or without sex.
I'm off track now.
Okay, back on track. Lex is NOT A WHINY BABY. Lex is not emotionally weak. If you ever doubt this go back and WATCH the show. Go back and watch Lex casually shoot pool while he explains to Roger Nixon how he just screwed Roger over. Go back and watch Lex when he screws over Dominic when Dominic comes to town after Lex refuses to move back to Metropolis. Then try and tell me that Lex is emotionally weaker than Clark.
Heh.
I have this issue with about 90% of the Wesley stuff out there. I don't see it that often with Lex, but I'm picky about my Lex stories.
Clark, on the other hand, is a whiny baby and a big old stalker.
Re: Heh.
Well, in the later episodes Lex became a bit too whiny "my father never loved me" in my opinion. He was like the male, bald Lana >_<
I don't think that's what the character is like/is supposed to be like, I think it was just bad writing. Rosenbaum amazed me with his ability to say the most horribly stupid and unnatural lines in a way that made them sound unaffected and even cool.
Some fanfic writers, like some television writers, just can't resist the impulse to wallow in the pain and issues of the characters, making them overblown, trite and out-of-character.
It's a sad, sad truth.
Re: Heh.
Look this show is about fathers and sons and family. Look! Damn you! Fathers. Sons. Belonging.
I hope of the hiatus they've learned they don't need to beat the audience into a concussion in order to get a point across.
Re: Heh.
Re: Heh.
I try not to get my hopes up too much, but I definitely think they're going to try to improve in S2. What's that new writer they hired, Loeb? I hear his comics are really good.
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Clark, on the other hand, is a whiny baby and a big old stalker.
I don't read a lot of Wes stories... I pretty much only read Wes/Gunn and I only read authors I know and trust, so that limits what I read. I'd probably read more if I could convince myself to read Angelcentric stories, but I don't get Angel as an object of lust.
I refered to Clark as JrStalker (either in my head or in emails). I had this long Whintey story written where Whitney kept refering to Clark's "JrStalker Act" but then I realized I was bashing Lana too much so I shelved the story.
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(Giving up, for the time being, on the HTML, because I do it all day, and I'm sick of it.)
Me neither, really. And Angel/Wes almost always ends up with the nasty femme flaw.
I try to remember to stick to bitch recs, or PPO recs to avoid the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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I urge you to do your utmost to avoid the dumb and mediocre. Rise above!
Genderbender and mpreg
-- I have no idea why anyone would want to read it, let alone write that way on purpose.
I love slash. M/M is kinky fun, plus there is an element of forbidden love or fear of unrequited love both because of both of them being men in a homophobic world, and because of the typical structure of slashable shows. Often they're enemies, one is the boss of the other, they're co-dependent, etc.
But I also love genderbender and mpreg fic. This has nothing to do with a love of het, or a need to de-masculinize the characters. They're two whole separate kinks.
Genderbender fic, both drag and genderchange, play with the idea of gender, of assumed gender roles, of biological gender mandates. With the self-image of the characters, with the interaction with other characters, both social and sexual/romantic. That just fascinates me. Combined with slash, both the sexy "man-on-man action slash", and the romantic "love with impediments slash", and of course featuring the characters I love and care about, and would want to read about regardless, it's just mmmm, good.
--So no, het fic can be good and hot and whatever, but it's just totally different from genderbender fic.
Mpreg. Hmm. Why do I love mpreg? A small, very small, part of it might be the genderbender aspect, since often being pregnant will make the male character examine his feelings and understanding of gender. But I don't think "pregnant" is the natural female state of being. I have never been pregnant, and don't know what it's like, so it'd be a totally new and mind-blowing experience for me too.
I find the idea of another life, another person, growing inside you, changing you, causing pain and discomfort, but also awakening powerful nurturing instincts very scary and fascinating.
I like reading mpreg stories because they tend to focus on this, not so much the soppy elements of teeny-tiny baby socks or the chauvanist feeling of finally being a real woman.
So part of it is I want to know everything about how pregnancy changes a person, their self-image, their body, their relationship to their significant other. How they deal with the fear and discomfort and mood swings. How it also bring joy and happiness, and their partner gives them love and courage. I know there are tons of books out there that deal with this from a female (natural) perspective, but I don't want that. I want it from my perspective, the perspective of a person who is just a person, not a cardboard cut-out that fits in the genderrole, or someone whose life ambition it has been to become a mother.
The other part of it is just romantic. I think it would be wonderful for two people who love each other and are in a commmited relationship to have a child together. Adoption stories work equally well for me in that respect.
Wow, that turned into quite a rant ^_^
Anyway, if you don't like genderbender or mpreg fics that's just hunky-dory with me. I just didn't want you to puzzle over the why do some people like that abysmal stuff?! anymore.
Re: Genderbender and mpreg
I guess my problem with mpreg is twofold. One, I haven't ever read an mpreg story where I've seen the character believable become pregnant. And two, I've never read a mpreg story that I thought was well written, that let me push off the bounds of my prejudice. Because often I'll try a story idea I haven't believed in the past or didn't like and either believe (but still not be comfortable with it) or find I do like it.
Re: Genderbender and mpreg
At the moment I have high hopes for Recollection by Taleya, though.
There are some fandoms that make for more believable mpregs scenarios than others. What I really need is realism in the characters to believe it, and I can suspend my disbelief.