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posted by [identity profile] raincitygirl.livejournal.com at 08:17pm on 13/12/2002
Wow, you said a lot of what I did, only with more vulgar language. I've been outclassed! And yes, Whedon has a fair bit to answer for. In fairness to him, though, it's actually easier to get a new property on the air when you can point and say "Look, two of my long-running projects, still going". Network types love piggybacking on existing success. Waiting until Buffy has wound down to launch new projects would probably make more sense creatively, in terms of not spreading himself too thin, but it would probably make any new projects harder to market to execs. Either that, or he needs a stronger team running Mutant Enemy and his existing shows while he gets to be Idea Boy and come up with new concepts. ME has some of the most talented creative types in the business, but it sometimes uses them very badly.
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posted by [identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com at 08:23pm on 13/12/2002
LOL!

I'm having a bad day, and saying fuck sometimes makes it better.

I bow to your superior, classier verbage. :} And I agree with everything you said.

Also? Damn. I can't help but want Minear to take over at AtS. Whedon doesn't know any of those characters anymore, as evidenced by the hideous Spin the Tabula Rasa Bottle redux. And Tim will just kill off all the dead weight, and make it his own.

Timwhore. Yes. That would be me, why do you ask?
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posted by [identity profile] raincitygirl.livejournal.com at 08:31pm on 13/12/2002
He might even kill off Sidekick Boy (a.k.a. That Ungrateful Rat Bastard - Boy, If That's How He Treats His Friends, I Wouldn't Want To Be His Enemy) and the Twig, bitchslap Angel into not being quite so self-absorbed and anti-Championish, and maybe, just maybe give Cordy her old personality back. OK, so it's a bit much to expect him to fix *everything* that's wrong with it, but I bet he could give it a better shot than what we're getting now. And you're right, Joss no longer has a clue about Angel. One wonders if he even *watches* the show on a regular basis. Tabula Rasa worked for Buffy (in fact, it's one of the only two S6 Buffy eps I would definitely want to see *not* consigned to oblivion) but just because it worked for Buffy doesn't mean it will automatically work for Angel, an *entirely* different show.
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posted by [identity profile] askye.livejournal.com at 08:59pm on 13/12/2002
See here's a point we disagree on again.

I thought that episode was really good. Okay, the actually execution of the spell was weak. It especially highlighted how much Wesley has changed since he first showed up in Sunnydale. And the scene between Gunn and Wes "so I'm the muscle" was very well played. Plus the de evolution of Liam from goof to thug to Angelus-y type. And the exchange between Connor and Liam.

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posted by [identity profile] raincitygirl.livejournal.com at 09:13pm on 13/12/2002
OK, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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posted by [identity profile] askye.livejournal.com at 08:58pm on 13/12/2002
Considering Tim has never offically stepped down from his postion at Angel and was only going to at the end of this season I'm sure Tim is quite aware of exactly what is happening on Angel.

When he comes back, if he decides to come back, I'm not sure the slash and burn you expect will happen.
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posted by [identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com at 09:03pm on 13/12/2002
He's not stupid, he knows where his bread is buttered (two B&B metaphors, I think I'm hungry), he'll come back- esp. if he never stepped down.

Yes, he knows what's going on. I have heard he's not thrilled with it. He's no C/A shipper in any case, and he is the darkest of stable of writers.

No, there will be no slash and burn, but I have hopes for some decent characterization again. And for heaven's sake, he's gonna kill SoMEONE off, he's Tim! LOL
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posted by [identity profile] askye.livejournal.com at 09:11pm on 13/12/2002
Of course he kills people. A Tim episode feels strange without a body count.

But I'm tired and I'm loopy and I had a crappy day today (not talking about Firefly). I liked two new shows this season. Two. Boomtown and Firefly. I still love Angel and Buffy. And Firefly is mostly gone, but it may have a chance and I hope someone (UPN) picks it up. Because I want a space show damnit! (Not Enterprise, I don't like it). And I'm sure Boomtown will get cancelled, because it's intelligent and innovative and I'm sure it will be deemed "too hard".
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