...of an unorganized mind. Fandom stuff--no really! : comments.
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However my Buffy stuff is at the Buffy Fiction Archive (which I think is down right now) and my Smallville stuff is at The Smallville Slash Archive. I can't look up the links but you should be able to find both with a quick Google Search.
As for this post in particular---it's in repsonse to, well the "Bingo!" thing was from the Buffista annoying poster who finally left.
Also, there are a lot of people who post fanfiction that is astonishingly bad. Not in story execution or badly written as much as---not spellchecked, not grammar checked. Stories populated by "Zander" and "Lindsay". And writers don't seem to care that they've mistaken "there" and "thier" and lover's give each other back "messages" instead of massages. And when you point this out to the writers, and suggest that perhaps they should do more than just run their stories through spell check but actually read through and edit their work and look for errors in puncuation, spelling, grammar, and physical impossiblities they get irrate.
They say "it's just fanfiction! It's just a hobby! Why are you being *mean*?" There are writers who don't care one whit that the work they produce looks like crap. They say "I'm doing it for fun, why are you taking things so seriously."
What I'm trying to say is that--I don't know much about anyone except what they write and because of that I will judge, even if I don't mean to. Even if I want a story if I see mistakes like "message" instead of massage and a character's name misspelled through out a story then I will hit delete and maybe not look at the writer's work again.
That's what I'm railing against, and this isn't my first post about against this time. It's an issue that makes the LJ and mailing list rounds.
Also, I was PMSing when I wrote that.
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There's something odd about being able to go back to a particular point in time and show evidence of someone's opinion, even, or most especially, when the opinion might be a rant of the moment, or more indicative of someone's health, problems or mood or whatever, than an immutable statement of fact. I haven't quite reconciled myself to that. I tend to be obsessive about people's opinions of me and have a hard time believing that if they've gotten a first bad impression of me it could change to a good one later.
As for this, I don't really think it matters that you were pmsing. I mean, it doesn't come across as bitchy, only as exasperated and with quite salient points. I honestly can't imagine presenting to any reader, friend, foe, family or joe schmoe on the street, with work that I don't think is, at worst, interesting, and I'd prefer that I believe it brilliant, charming, entertaining, valuable in some way.
Maybe the problem is that these writers do think all those good things about their writing, and then, when inadequacies are pointed out, get defensive and try to put the blame on the reader instead of improving their own work.
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I'm always amazed when I go back and read what I write, here or in my Buffista posts it's so odd because they sound like me, the way I talk and then, in some ways, they don't and it's me...and I'm rambling and it's odd.
Anyway, I have a hard time believing that anyone can archive or post a story with rampant misspellings and such a weak grasp of the show that they can't get the characters correct and still think "this is good." Maybe I'm too much of a perfectionist, always picking and changing and trying out different words and phrases to my stories that I don't understand why anyone would be so casual about their writing.
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I have a hard time with it too, so I guess I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. I'm not convincing myself, though I can believe that there are people who don't see their own errors because they're so entranced with their story, and therefore don't understand how the error is so glaring to someone else who isn't as invested in their brilliance.
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Do people like me? Are they only being polite? What do they say when I'm not around? Are they truly not laughing at me and thinking I'm a complete idiot and only laughing because I'm amusing in some endearinly goofy way.
It's human, to wonder those things, I think. But I know that I like you, I have to admit I was wary at first, I'm ashamed of that and now that I know you I think "but! how could she ever have not been a Bitch!"
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I'm often startled and sometimes a little hurt when someone picks up something I say and takes issue with it. My first response is, "but, I meant!" Only, how can they know what I meant if it's not explicitly stated and they don't have that background of: me = charming and loveable? What if their personality isn't the type to let things slide because of charmingness and loveability? It's not their fault I was incoherent or my arguments were weak or, frankly, wrong. That's my fault.
It's amplified when you're on the Internet. I did the thing I read described in bureacracy once. I lurked a long time. I read many, many posts. I fell in love with many buffistae because of their intelligence, or charm, or the way they lingered over certain words. I liked their giving or their ability to see beauty, or their reaction to horrible events. So, when I posted, I acted as if it truly were a cocktail party, we'd already said our "hello, nice dress" how are yous, and then I'd been standing by nodding intelligently all that while and that they were *aware* that I was standing there nodding intelligently. Only, they weren't.
Anytime some stranger walks up, puts a hand on your arm and acts familiarly, even if they seem clickable, feel good, have some charisma, it's going to make you uncomfortable if they invade your personal space. So, that's really what I did when I started -- I invaded -- and why, I think, my original posts in the firefly thread were so offensive to so many. I acted as if I were already a known and well-liked quantity.
So, bringing this back around to bad fanfiction -- maybe the same rules apply. Maybe these writers are expecting the reader to see them as they see themselves, well-meaning, fun-loving, intelligent but focused on the story they want to read, so they should be given a pass. They don't realize they don't get a pass because, when they write bad fiction it's (to stretch this analogy to the creaking point) an infringement of the reader's personal space. Maybe some of them will get that, but I think many will respond just as I did. "But? What? I only meant!" and then, to protect their feelings, they take it farther and it becomes the reader's fault.
I think I'm going to post a some form of this in my LJ, as well, because I don't think people are reading back this far and I find this conversation intriguing. Maybe someone else will comment on it too.
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Part of that, the reaction in B'cracy, was us being shocked at the exposure and explosion of members/users, it was all...unexpected. But I do understand what you mean, I often read people's LJs or lurk in places and feel familiar and then want to jump in and say things and act as if I know someone and then realize that I don't really and more importantly, they don't know me. I'm not even nothing to them becuase they have no idea that I'm even there. They may know that "random people may read my posts/lj/this mailing list" but they don't know that this particular person wants to talk to them.
So it's weird the way the Internet works, it's a bit, I think, like the way celebrities and fans work. Except, on the Internet it can be like that with anyone. You read about someone or their posts and you think you know them and if you don't actually interact with that person---email them, post with them,talk to them---then they don't know you at all and it's no different than learning about Charisma Carpenter or SMG. Except the person isn't famous. There's a feeling of familiarity and belonging that is false.
Although the celebrity/fan analogy doesn't work exactly.
So, bringing this back around to bad fanfiction -- maybe the same rules apply. Maybe these writers are expecting the reader to see them as they see themselves, well-meaning, fun-loving, intelligent but focused on the story they want to read, so they should be given a pass.
You have a good point. Readers and writers, especially well know fanfic writers or archivists or whoever, will often point out flaws in stories or balk at certain "tricks" that don't work in lesser stories but that work when handled well by really good writers. New comers may see this as unfair "I wrote like that but they say I suck!"
Fandom is different than professional writing because it is hobbyish and friend based on certain levels. So it's hard to say, well yes, what you wrote doesn't work because you can't write as well as X. The first writer will get offended and then if you try "well, it's the same as saying well, professional writer B can't get away with that either, but James Joyce can becuase he's Joyce." You still get the "but this is for fun."
I have to leave for lunch.
Do post this in your journal.
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I hope this is helping with not being able to get to WX during school. I've been enjoying myself. I hope you have too.
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